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	<title>Comments on: McCain campaign going after Michelle Obama? My personal experience with Dohrn and Michelle Obama&#039;s law firm.</title>
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	<description>thoughts from Heather Gold</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah Marmor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Marmor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, if you read the website it totally puts the snippet quote from Bernadine Dohrn into context -- that she was being ironic and reacting to media fascination with the Tate death (while the media was ignoring the death of a black panther).  This is a classic trick that practicing lawyers like me, sadly, are familiar with.  Take a position, find a quote, highlight the most incendiary snippet, ignore the context, and the holler.  Or, to quote a colleague, arguments like this remind me of a Texas Long Horn Steer:  a point here, a point there, and a whole lot of bull in between.

Second, from all that I understand, the 60&#039;s were indeed a hysterical, terrible time.  Looking at what people said or did over 30 years ago with no context and no effort to understand what might have been motivating them is unhelpful.  I don&#039;t think anyone is very interested in rehashing that period right now, when we have real, acute problems to address, but the notion that you can equate 9/11 to the SDS movement is silliness -- the 9/11 attack had no end but to do harm; SDS and their offshoots, however wrong headed, wanted to change things in this country for what they saw as the better.

Finally, Bob Bennett was part of that era, and while you may dismiss him as a fundamentally conservative character (he is a reserved fellow, there is no doubt), he also is the man who argued against the Hyde Amendment in the Supreme Court.

The bottom line is that Ayers and Dohrn both seem to have forged meaningful lives and careers and the witch-hunting spearheaded by Palin and her compatriots is repellent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, if you read the website it totally puts the snippet quote from Bernadine Dohrn into context &#8212; that she was being ironic and reacting to media fascination with the Tate death (while the media was ignoring the death of a black panther).  This is a classic trick that practicing lawyers like me, sadly, are familiar with.  Take a position, find a quote, highlight the most incendiary snippet, ignore the context, and the holler.  Or, to quote a colleague, arguments like this remind me of a Texas Long Horn Steer:  a point here, a point there, and a whole lot of bull in between.</p>
<p>Second, from all that I understand, the 60&#039;s were indeed a hysterical, terrible time.  Looking at what people said or did over 30 years ago with no context and no effort to understand what might have been motivating them is unhelpful.  I don&#039;t think anyone is very interested in rehashing that period right now, when we have real, acute problems to address, but the notion that you can equate 9/11 to the SDS movement is silliness &#8212; the 9/11 attack had no end but to do harm; SDS and their offshoots, however wrong headed, wanted to change things in this country for what they saw as the better.</p>
<p>Finally, Bob Bennett was part of that era, and while you may dismiss him as a fundamentally conservative character (he is a reserved fellow, there is no doubt), he also is the man who argued against the Hyde Amendment in the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that Ayers and Dohrn both seem to have forged meaningful lives and careers and the witch-hunting spearheaded by Palin and her compatriots is repellent.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Gold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Gold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments. 

Pam, I wrote the piece because I found myself reading about a person I&#039;d actually met who was coming up in the Presidential Race. I found it ridiculous and amazingly ironic that it was being suggested that Michelle Obama, simply by working at the same firm as Bernadine Dohrn suports violence any more than the founders of the Federalist Society (also my professors at the same law school as Prof. Dohrn).

Meeting someone, including Prof. Dohrn really means nothing about what you believe. 
You&#039;ve just posted a comment to my blog. I&#039;m Jewish. Does that make you Jewish?

I found Prof Dohrn caring and smart when I met her one time to deal with some of my own problems.   Michelle Obama wasn&#039;t there. McCain wasn&#039;t there. Neither were you Pam. Vietnam didn&#039;t come up. I was lucky to grow up in Canada where I didn&#039;t have to watch endless movies about the Vietnam War at all. For a long time I thought MASH was a show about Vietnam.  
 
I know very little about the 60s. Even though I was born in 68, my parents barely knew who the Beatles were. They missed the entire &quot;revolution.&quot; They missed every chance to see  Joni Mitchell perform in Toronto. 
Yes, I totally endorse Bernadine Dohrn&#039;s hour in her office helping me through law school. If you had to bluebook and shepardize, you would have felt the same way. 

Research, thanks for the link.Bombing and pigs? WTF? All that 60s crap sounds insanely melodramatic. Bombing anything is insane. I&#039;m a fan of Ghandi&#039;s. What were you people thinking? 
Of course the most amazing thing in that Wikipedia article I learned is that Dean Robert Bennett hired Prof Dohrn. That blew my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. </p>
<p>Pam, I wrote the piece because I found myself reading about a person I&#039;d actually met who was coming up in the Presidential Race. I found it ridiculous and amazingly ironic that it was being suggested that Michelle Obama, simply by working at the same firm as Bernadine Dohrn suports violence any more than the founders of the Federalist Society (also my professors at the same law school as Prof. Dohrn).</p>
<p>Meeting someone, including Prof. Dohrn really means nothing about what you believe.<br />
You&#039;ve just posted a comment to my blog. I&#039;m Jewish. Does that make you Jewish?</p>
<p>I found Prof Dohrn caring and smart when I met her one time to deal with some of my own problems.   Michelle Obama wasn&#039;t there. McCain wasn&#039;t there. Neither were you Pam. Vietnam didn&#039;t come up. I was lucky to grow up in Canada where I didn&#039;t have to watch endless movies about the Vietnam War at all. For a long time I thought MASH was a show about Vietnam.  </p>
<p>I know very little about the 60s. Even though I was born in 68, my parents barely knew who the Beatles were. They missed the entire &#034;revolution.&#034; They missed every chance to see  Joni Mitchell perform in Toronto.<br />
Yes, I totally endorse Bernadine Dohrn&#039;s hour in her office helping me through law school. If you had to bluebook and shepardize, you would have felt the same way. </p>
<p>Research, thanks for the link.Bombing and pigs? WTF? All that 60s crap sounds insanely melodramatic. Bombing anything is insane. I&#039;m a fan of Ghandi&#039;s. What were you people thinking?<br />
Of course the most amazing thing in that Wikipedia article I learned is that Dean Robert Bennett hired Prof Dohrn. That blew my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: research</title>
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		<dc:creator>research</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn

What Dohrn said about a pregnant woman and others killed by followers of Charles Manson

Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!&quot;</description>
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<p>What Dohrn said about a pregnant woman and others killed by followers of Charles Manson</p>
<p>Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Pam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only met Prof. Dohrn once. She was really smart and caring.  - 

Caring?   Heather, you need to do some research on this one.  It&#039;s not scary that Michelle worked at Sidley &amp; Austin in Chicago.  It&#039;s scary that you and Michelle Obama think Bernadine Dohrn is caring and smart.  This blog is scary; it shows that you are ignorant or worse... you endorse the actions of Bernadine Dohrn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only met Prof. Dohrn once. She was really smart and caring.  &#8211; </p>
<p>Caring?   Heather, you need to do some research on this one.  It&#039;s not scary that Michelle worked at Sidley &amp; Austin in Chicago.  It&#039;s scary that you and Michelle Obama think Bernadine Dohrn is caring and smart.  This blog is scary; it shows that you are ignorant or worse&#8230; you endorse the actions of Bernadine Dohrn.</p>
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